County Sheriffs & Local Constitutional Militias Working Together?

[Mark W. Graham]

With the extremely negative perception of the militias casting a negative social view on militias in general, How does one go about creating a local Citizen Defense Unit that is Constitutional and received in a welcomed positive light?

"It is better to have a plan and never have to implement it than to not have a plan, and then something goes wrong and you wish you had a plan".

We would like to create a "Constitutional Militia Defense Plan" that includes Citizen platoons of five, twelve  person squads and command and support structure in as many local communities within the County as possible. We would then like to begin to double that in each of those communities if possible. We want our Sheriff to be at peace and find confidence in knowing what we are doing and not create worry and question about the legitimacy of a plan such as this.

Are there any militias out there that  are Constitutionally solid and that the Sheriff is working in the know with these militias?

I would like to get in contact with some solid militia people of good reputation    and a Sheriff or two that have a good relationship with local militia that we could replicate what they are doing here in our area.

Can anyone offer us information of what they are doing in their area or respond with their experiences?

Thank you in advance!!!

[Michael Mick Webster]

 Mark: I agree with you r outline completely. I currently belong to a nation wide organization that response to disasters both man made and natural. providing disaster relief. We also train in preparedness, firearm, peppers, CERT and many other subjects including emergency medical. The track record is there, the frame work in place. This organization could be expanded to became the organization you visualize. They keep a very low prevail. I have been with this organization for over twenty years. For a taste of what they do go to:                                                                                       

Survival Family Emergency

Response & Preparedness Guide

                                                                              

 

[Jim Johnson]

Mark,

Here is an idea I posted once, but didn't  get any response yet. Our Sheriffs can have a volunteer posse, maybe the number could be 100 or so. There could be groups of 10 with a leader of each group. We could buy our own uniform, and train  under the Sheriff once per month or so. If there is a need for help, the Sheriff could call up how ever many group leaders he needs. Just the uniform sometimes makes a big different in deterring a bad situation. That group could also be a militia on their own time if  it  is not a conflict, and  I don't know that it would be.

There are several books on the militia by Red Beckman on www.drkatesview.worldpress.com or both books "walls in our mind" and "why the militia" by sending $10 to P.O. Box 61 Carrolls, WA. 98609.

Here is why what you, and I want to do is so important.

If M. Savage is right, Obama just stole the election by outsourcing the counting to an electronic firm from spain. They will merge electronically all the states and there will then be no way to recount or challenge the 11 million possible illegal votes (e-verify says there are more like 30 million now). I guess that's why he was so confident with telling the Russian president he would stop our missile defense system after he winns the election. That  firm is  also owned by one of his larger contributers. Hopefully people will find the facts out for sure and make him look even more illigetimate and dishonest. Now we know why he protects the illegals so dilligently, and arrests any border patrol who really does his job. His Soros regime is starting to put Russia to shame.

http://conservativebyte.com/2012/04/michael-savage-how-obama-fixed-...

Jim

[Jim Johnson]

Mark,

Red Beckman is also on this site under video Library, the 16th amendment was never radified. We have a God given right and a constitutional right to protect ourselves, and theirby protecting our families, neighbors and Nation in line with the Oath to our Constitution. I would rather see 1000 or so trained and ready than too few.

Jim

[Mark D. Mortinson]

In my County, I'm trying to make the first initial moves for doing such a thing.  If the "M" word has such a negative stigma.  Maybe we should change the term to "Constitutionally based Citizen Mutual Aid and Protection Associations".  Or something like that.

Wisdom & Courage,

Mark

[Jim Johnson]

Mark,

Maybe that would be ok, but it is in our Florida State Constitution as Militia. Hollywood has given militia groups a bad name, as they never show them for what they are  designed to do. I think the most important thing is to work with our local sheriff. Make sure he is going to keep the oath to our (THIS) constitution, as he swore to do. This can take direct questions such as do you consider the Bill of rights as something that is an absolute and designed to keep the constitutional protections against fedreal overreach? Something like that is just what I asked a recent candidate, and he made it clear that he would. A sheriff's volunteer posse can be a big as the citizens want, and can have team captians of each 10 or so. One could have 200 volunteers who can train once a month, buy their own uniforms, and be ready for an emergency with how ever many teams of say 10 that the sheriff needs. You can  also use those members for a standby militia most likely if necessary.

Just some thoughts, but there needs to be a consensus. Teach them the constution and get them to join the www.constitutionalsheriffs.ning.com . I think we need to be diligent to succeed at this objective. At least 3 revolutionary groups are promising to overthrow the government or just get the rich, there may be chaos, maybe not. That is what the militia, and sheriffs posse are for, nothing like lots of uniforms when you need them.

Jim

[Mark D. Mortinson]

Thank's James,

I was only half serious with my suggestion of calling it something else.

In my own State, of Oregon, the establishment of an unorganized militia is very clear.   In fact it is a duty, that I'm sure many are not aware of.  It  states in Oregon Revised Statutes 2005.

 396.105 Militia comprised of organized and unorganized militia. (1) The militia of the state shall be divided into the organized militia and the unorganized militia.

      (2) The organized militia shall be composed of the Oregon Army National Guard and the Oregon Air National Guard, which forces together with an inactive National Guard shall comprise the Oregon National Guard; the Oregon State Defense Force whenever such a state force shall be duly organized; and such additional forces as may be created by the Governor.

      (3) The unorganized militia shall consist of all able-bodied residents of the state between the ages of 18 and 45 who are not serving in any force of the organized militia or who are not on the state retired list and who are or who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States; subject, however, to such exemptions from military duty as are created by the laws of the United States. [1961 c.454 §5(1),(2),(3); 1989 c.361 §2; 2005 c.512 §3]

[Jim Johnson]

Thanks,

You have to wonded if the Leadership would be ready should it became necessary for the defense of the State. I just heard that sheriff Mack has a questioneer for county sheriffs  to  fill out, that way you have a better idea where they stand.

What  do you think about the sheriff's posse vs militia volunteers and or both?

Jim

[Mark D. Mortinson]

I think it all comes down to a liability issue for the County in question.  I myself would support either or both.

[Jim Johnson]

I wonder how Sheriff Joe does it? I know he has a posse, and the liability would only be when called up, but still you know how it is today. But then we could call for a constitutional grand jury and have them release the liability if no one was harmed?

Good question.

Jim

[Mark D. Mortinson]

You mean unlawfully harmed.  Right?

[Jim Johnson]

Right, I would not count someone as unharmed it someone unlawfully did harm. The basic premis of declaring someone not guilty is that if there is no victim, there is no crime. In the case of a Sheriff having a volunteer posse, the county would gain a lot of protection for a  little money probably if they did have some liability I think.

I hate to say it but from the drills I have seen done by the local sheriffs dept. a lot of the deputies would be inexperienced compared with most military vets. Many are better at reports than protecting citizens and some not as well trained as ex military. As far as an independant militia, you would want to make sure there is no one that isn't really cool headed. Thanks for the comment.

Jim

[Mark W. Graham]

One advantage I see with a militia, is you would have retired military who are able to project their training beyond their time while in service, by passing on what they learned to local volunteers whereas often I am sure, law enforcement is limited to the scope of what may be approved within the law enforcement circle. The result being, you may very well end up with civilian defenses which are in some cases better trained and prepared than local law enforcement.

My concern is that while we wait for the lawyers to decide what is legal, we quietly slip into communism. Does the Constitution and other founding documents offer us clear path of permission beyond the naysayers? Could someone please post some quotes pasted directly from our  Founding Documents?

I really appreciate the input from everyone. This is wonderful!